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June 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT

Is iPhone video recording bad news for YouTube?

by David Carnoy

The iPhone's new video capture and sharing may be a double-edged sword for YouTube.

(Credit: Apple)

With the introduction of the the new iPhone 3G S, one of the features iPhone aficionados are most excited about is the addition of video recording. Never mind that this feature has been available in a lot of other cell phones for a while; the point is, it's finally here, and that's a good thing, especially when Apple has taken the pocket camcorder concept to a whole new level with the integration of some basic onboard editing tools, geotagging, and, most importantly, a wireless distribution system that allows you to easily share your iPhone clips via e-mail, MMS, or by uploading them directly to YouTube (and MobileMe) with a touch of a button (see Apple's demo).

On the surface, this would appear to be excellent news for YouTube and should rather frighten Flip Video, which has seen its YouTube-friendly pocket camcorders take a nice chunk of the camcorder market (recent sales figures indicate that digital pocket models like the Flip, the Creative Vado HD, and the Kodak Zx1, have captured over 25 percent of the camcorder market in the U.S.).

True, the iPhone's video--at least initially--won't measure up to the higher-resolution "HD" video you see on the Flip MinoHD and the UltraHD. But the samples we've seen of video shot with 3G iPhones aren't too terrible (I assume the 3G S' video will be slightly better). And in terms of sheer numbers, cell phones present a much larger beast than pocket camcorders; Flip Video has sold more than 2 million units in just two years, while Apple has sold close to 20 million iPhones. With that in mind, one could argue that having millions of iPhone owners uploading their lame videos (OK, some will be awesome, but most will be crappy) might not be a good thing for a company that's losing a lot of money and trying to figure out ways to steer users toward sponsor-supported premium content that it can monetize. As some of you are already aware, it costs YouTube a serious chunk of change to host and store all your videos. And while it has a gazillion visitors, it's still way in the red, and probably will be indefinitely.

If I were Google, which owns YouTube, I'd be a tad concerned about the iPhone. We've all seen the incredible rise of the Apple App Store and the tremendous proliferation of iPhone apps, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to see video-sharing-on-the-go take off with the arrival of iPhone video capture. And when I say take off, I'm really saying blast off--as in, into the stratosphere.

Perhaps I'm wrong. However, funneling more ad-free/no-fee amateur content through YouTube's tube seems to be a recipe for more losses. Not that you should care one way or another. But I thought someone should point it out. You know, in case YouTube ever decides it wants to charge you for a YouTube-sharing app--or maybe a small monthly fee--to upload your iPhone video clips.

That would be dumb, though, right? You wouldn't ever pay for that, would you?

Additional reading: Pocket HD camcorders compared, The cure for YouTube's ills: Charge for uploads.

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by kingrah1 June 9, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
you would think that since they are emphasizing video streaming and every other apple product has it they would have at least added 802.11N wifi.
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by MooseBoys June 9, 2009 1:37 PM PDT
Unless you were uploading to a server in your basement, you wouldn't see any speed improvement with the n spec. I don't know about you, but my network bottleneck is most definitely my ISP, not my wireless connection.
by Draxon June 9, 2009 1:38 PM PDT
802.11n takes more battery power than 802.11g and frankly there is very little you could do on an iPhone that needs more than 10Mbps never mind more than 50Mbps.
by weixiong100 June 10, 2009 6:08 AM PDT
Kingrah1,
[CNET editors' note: Prohibited content deleted.]
G or N will not make a difference while going online because they both are much faster than your ISP speed.
by rpen25 June 10, 2009 7:50 AM PDT
weixiong100

Very rude, to call someone stupid. For that, you get reported.

Anyways, at 100 feet, 802.11G drops to 1 Mbps compared to 802.11N, which can operate at up to 70 Mbps. That's 70x faster than G. You won't always have optimum wifi signal, but having an iPhone with 802.11N increases speed and range potential.

Two, somewhere in the future, you could possibly sync your iPhone through your home network utilizing the 802.11N standard, which maxes out at about 160 Mbps. That makes it especially convenient when you don't want to get up and plug the thing into the computer in the next room.
by AllenKids June 10, 2009 8:20 AM PDT
@rpen25

70Mbps at 100 feet? Yeah, and your iPhone 3G S' battery life will last a staggering whole 5 minutes BTW.

Also, somewhere in the future, there will be a wireless syncing iPhone sporting a big "N" badge, somewhere in the future.
by stevepsykes June 9, 2009 1:29 PM PDT
On another note, as methods to deliver video content to the world increase, more of the reality others experience can be shared - for better and for worse. Daily news footage can be mined from You Tube and other sources. There probably also will doubtless be increased payment for exclusive submission of breaking news video directly to tv and other outlets.
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by gberke2 June 9, 2009 1:51 PM PDT
nothing beats youtube... sharing doesn't touch just uploading and leaving it there...
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by sailforme June 9, 2009 2:26 PM PDT
I migrated off a BB Curve to the iPhone this past month because our work environment requires it. My curve didn't originally support video....then....wallah....an upgrade where video was added. I thought that was pretty slick. I didn't have to buy a new phone to get the video capability. Here's my beef....why is Apple requiring a hardware upgrade to get the new video technology??? My phone is 20 days old....I think I'm going to return it for the new one!
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by rpen25 June 10, 2009 7:29 AM PDT
You should be able to get a free upgrade to the new iPhone 3G S if you purchased an older model within 30 days. They did that with the release of the iPhone 3G when people complained about the timing of their purchase of the original iPhone. So, with a June 17 release date (if memory serves me correctly), you should be eligible for the upgrade.
by darkpoet25 June 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT
@repn25,
The 3.0 OS update is available the 17th and the new iPhone 3Gs is available that Friday the 19th. Not sure why they decided to release the OS update on a Wed., seeing as how iTunes automatically checks every Tues.
by ywkhgqo June 10, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
dark poet, i think thats the point.
They don't want the what 30 milliion iphone users all getting the update at once.
by atish505 June 9, 2009 2:49 PM PDT
It's a good news for You Tube. They will see traffic improvement. You Tube is already monetizing on the content by displaying ads both in the player and on the right hand side (click through banner ads from double click).

They also have commercial agreements form lot of vendors. Also now You Tube does charge if you want to have professional content in a channel with videos longer than 10 minutes.

Being able to record, edit and upload videos to You Tube form iPhone is something that a lot of iPhone users wanted and Apple has listened. This only make Google more powerful and relevant. Not otherwise.
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by homercles82 June 10, 2009 7:01 AM PDT
I think the problem will be the ton of uploaded videos of peoples cat sleeping or their friend running into a wall that will sit on the server taking up space and watched maybe 100 times. Youtube needs to prune videos that haven't been viewed in over a month.
by tcr071 June 10, 2009 7:32 AM PDT
No, it is definitely not good news for youtube. Youtube can't make a profit off of the videos already on there and the issue they have is delivering targeted ads to random videos. Companies don't want their diaper commercial playing in front of some guy smacking himself in the balls with a paintball gun but the majority of videos on youtube are exactly like crap like that and Google has to store them. I can't imagine the teeny tiny amount of videos that will be recorded by iPhone owners that will actually be worth watching and google will figure out how to effectively advertise and make money. Most of the videos will merely take space and won't be used, some will be viewed without ads, and a small amount might generate money but as a whole google will definitely feel the effects of this.
by rpen25 June 10, 2009 7:34 AM PDT
I agree with homercles82....any videos not receiving enough views within 30 days would be automatically deleted. Videos or directors of videos who frequently obtain high views of their content would have ads that cost more to place on the site than a video that doesn't get as many views. Just like the Superbowl or Grey's Anatomy or CSI gets to charge a ton of money for 30 sec spots, Youtube can charge more money for ads on videos that get say 10 million views or so. That's one way of increasing profit margins.
by DOGLLAMA June 10, 2009 12:05 PM PDT
The thing is, space is getting cheaper and computers are getting faster. The issue is NOT going to be holding all the content.

The real issue is diluting the content to the point where it is hard to find what you are looking for. YouTube will have to refine their video search methods, and perhaps features like geo-tags and other meta-data can help.
by tcr071 June 10, 2009 1:48 PM PDT
Space is getting cheaper but the pace of users submitting video is rising faster than the costs are falling. Costs are going up for youtube every single year and they aren't even close to getting out of the red. A flood of teenagers with their new iPhone 3G S submitting crap videos no one is going to see but Google will still sore is just going to make matters worse. They should just nuke the site, completely re design how it works, and start over from scratch.
by Pearky June 9, 2009 11:08 PM PDT
Hey i like new Technology and i think iphone has out done itself this time. They must make more gadgets like the iphone
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by tcr071 June 10, 2009 12:07 PM PDT
*New technology.

They took the exact same phone they launched a year ago and added a faster processor, a bigger battery, and a slightly better camera. Everything else is done via software and it is a sham that the software won't be available to existing iPhone 3G owners.
by seven7dust June 10, 2009 5:17 PM PDT
@tcr071
it will and it's free too
by senitel10 June 10, 2009 7:33 AM PDT
If they were to charge you to upload your videos from your phone to the website, why not just film it through your camcorder!?!?!
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by somebody06 June 10, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
I started to notice this Carnoy guy always looks for the bad side in Apple products... you wonder what his interests are in doing this.
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by dcarnoy June 10, 2009 7:56 AM PDT
Everything I said about Apple was good here.
by joevai52 June 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT
Why does someone always have to try to make every Apple article out to be an attack on their beloved? David Carnoy is simply pointing out that because the iphone has been so hugely successful, the fact that it can now record videos and conveniently upload them to youtube will lead to youtube having to store tons of crappy videos that hardly anyone watches...leading to more storage expense, and therefore, causing youtube to go farther into the red. I don't see any way this article can be thought of as anti-apple unless you're just an apple fanboy looking for any reason to start a pointless argument. Enough already!
by ark_v2 June 10, 2009 8:00 AM PDT
YouTube should just limit the video uploads in a given time period per user. There's so much crap and repeated copyrighted material using up their server space that is it the only way.
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by tech_junkie14 June 10, 2009 9:45 AM PDT
Since when can the iPhone 3G record video?!?!
I thought that was an iPhone 3G S feature-only.
Was the iPhone that shot the subway breakdown jailbroken or did it have the beta video-recording of the OS 3.0 software?
IM CONFUSED
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by tech_junkie14 June 10, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
*UPDATE*
nvmd. it was in fact, jailbroken.
sorry for the confusion everyone.
by dcarnoy June 10, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
That iPhone 3G was jailbroken (says so in the article).
by molotov June 10, 2009 10:11 AM PDT
At&t is working out a deal with YouTube to limit the number of videos you will be able to upload.
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by homercles82 June 10, 2009 10:54 AM PDT
Source?
by tcr071 June 10, 2009 12:08 PM PDT
Not true. They have no way of tracking this especially since you can just use wifi. Any limit would have to be a pre-existing limit put into the software by Apple.
by molotov June 10, 2009 1:15 PM PDT
No source. Its just how I would handle this situation.
by zhakidd532 June 10, 2009 6:56 PM PDT
This will be interesting. This was going to happen to YouTube at some point. If Apple didn't make it's devices capable of uploading videos straight to YouTube so easily, someone else would have. And now that Apple has done it, more phones are going to start to have this capability. Google needs to come up with some more rules/modes of operations now. That's pretty much all there is to it. Like people have been saying, find ways to skim off the useless videos. If videos don't surpass a certain amount of views by a certain time just take it off.

There will definitely be practical uses for this. People in the media will be able to make good use of this. This is a good thing that Apple is allowing users to do this. The ball is now in YouTube's court.
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by cvaldes1831 June 10, 2009 10:17 PM PDT
I would *love* it if YouTube instituted some sort of uploading fee, especially for low-resolution user-contributed content. The cellphone crap is the worst, let the high-def people upload for free.

Frankly, I would also love it if people were charged a nominal fee (5-10 cents) to make a comment, unless maybe they had uploaded a certain number of videos themselves. Some of the comments I get on my videos are utterly retarded. "Yeah! First comment!" Thanks so much.
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by daisy-blue June 12, 2009 1:32 AM PDT
Maybe.
I here that iPhone 3G S has more powerful function in downloading videos.
Here is a detailed review:
http://www.convert-video-dvd.com/news/iPhone-3g-s-review.html
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by boy444 June 13, 2009 4:43 PM PDT
If I was Youtube, I would have by now made an app for iPhone for video. I mean something like watch tv shows or convert videos to ipod. Maybe $1.00 for the app. How are these people losing money if the site if free? I think the just need to get a percent of the money when theyy try to get us to buy a song from the video.
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by tablulator June 13, 2009 5:49 PM PDT
Hmm, I think Google is safe so long as Apple doesn't decide to build a billion dollar server farm in North Carolina.
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by ants11 June 14, 2009 8:25 PM PDT
the article puts up a really good point, but you have to think about the true numbers here. I think (maybe im wrong here) that iPhone sales have peaked with the 3G. The 3G S will not see the huge lines come friday. So there will not be THAT many people uploading to youtube.. but it is true, they are contributing to an already troubled situation.. cant have it all google..
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by moneyrules August 5, 2009 9:23 AM PDT
While video recording is a great new feature for the iphone i dont think uploading to youtube is such a good idea i mean, uploads to youtube should use good cameras but having it done by phone isnt going to be good quality. Plus, the iphone 3g S isnt a big upgrade i think the video cam should have been saved for the iphone 4g rather than be rushed to the shelves.
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by Whisennand October 23, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
It's viral global hyper media! It's now a media on demand culture
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Executive Editor David Carnoy has been covering electronics for CNET since 2000, arriving at the company just as "that whole Internet bust thing" happened. Early on, he launched CNET's cell phone coverage, earning him the nickname "Wireless Dave," then moved on to bigger and broader things. Hunkered down in New York City, he oversees CNET's Home and Hardware reviews, which includes all things related to home theater, PC, and digital imaging. Fully Equipped covers the gamut of gadgets and gizmos and, to keep things lively, Carnoy likes to alternate between writing useful, advice-oriented pieces or thought-provoking columns with inflammatory headlines designed to elicit commentary from readers. Fully Equipped is the longest continuously running column on CNET.com.

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